tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post8012527982373376725..comments2023-10-30T11:46:43.284+00:00Comments on Musings of the Cosmic Calamari: Be Careful What You Wish ForSpaceSquidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09760939592584995876noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-82139899017599319662009-01-25T10:57:00.000+00:002009-01-25T10:57:00.000+00:00So is it just me who thinks Earth is some kind of ...So is it just me who thinks Earth is some kind of Resurrection planet? So far everyone know who has dies on it (either through flashbacks or through crashing there) has come back to life. All but one as a Cylon (and hell she could be as well you know). Some kind of immortality thing gone horribly wrong? Maybe Dee will return...Dan Edmundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419304749760959902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-68221921349321678802009-01-24T01:06:00.000+00:002009-01-24T01:06:00.000+00:00But that's my point - just because it seems wrong ...But that's my point - just because it seems wrong to you for Adama to make this attempt, doesn't make it unrealistic or out-of-character. Many people who have committed suicide have been seen as acting out of character by people who have known them intimately.<BR/><BR/>In this case the combination of circumstances makes it eminently believable IMO. Especially as the actual attempt takes place whilst he is thoroughly inebriated and very recently bereaved, quite apart from all the other stress and trauma that has recently been suffered by Adama and those he loves (including finding out that his best friend is a cylon).<BR/><BR/>I don't think he <I>has</I> given up on Roslin after one attempt. Other events have overtaken that situation, and the despair he feels at Dee's death has pushed him to the edge. Roslin's current status is a factor in his state of mind, but I don't think it's the trigger for the act he tries to carry out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-3591781156969413102009-01-23T18:20:00.000+00:002009-01-23T18:20:00.000+00:00Jamie, I'm referring to Adama's cohice as that cha...Jamie, I'm referring to Adama's cohice as that character when I say it seemed wrong not suicide the act itself.<BR/><BR/>Nor do I think he would give up on Roslin after one attempt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-20653243211842971172009-01-22T23:48:00.000+00:002009-01-22T23:48:00.000+00:00Even when Roslin had essentially rejected that hel...Even when Roslin had essentially rejected that help? And bear in mind he was also having to deal himself with the destruction of the dream that Roslin had made him believe, not to mention Dee's death. How many more deeply traumatic events do you want to hit Adama with before you accept that he might consider suicide? Dee topping herself came as far more of a surprise to me than Adama trying to do the same.<BR/><BR/>As for the wrongness of it; it <I>is</I> wrong. People considering suicide (and/or carrying it out) is not a good thing, generally speaking. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen with a horrible regularity, usually to the shock and surprise of many close friends and relatives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-39084775500640842009-01-22T19:16:00.000+00:002009-01-22T19:16:00.000+00:00Well at he colonies he didn't know until told that...Well at he colonies he didn't know until told that it was over before it began. Plus I still argue there's a world of difference between wanting to fight and activily being suicidal.<BR/><BR/>I don't see how the new Caprica thing was suicidal. It was risky, but there was a plan and intel on enemy strength from the resistence. Not suicidal at all.<BR/><BR/>Giving someone a loaded gun and goading them until they snap is suicidal. <BR/><BR/>I just didn't think he would be the type to seriously consider suicide. I know a lot of things were pretty sh**ty at the time but if anything with him I'd think that Roslin's state of mind would make him want to be by her side to help her through rather than just giving up and abandoning her.<BR/><BR/>It just seemed wrong to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-42312049010234252522009-01-22T16:59:00.000+00:002009-01-22T16:59:00.000+00:00Trying to fight at the Colonies: suicide by Cylon....Trying to fight at the Colonies: suicide by Cylon. Trying to fight at New Caprica: suicide by Cylon. Handing Tigh a gun and telling him how he could smell the guy's dead slut-wife in heat? Not as different as all that.SpaceSquidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760939592584995876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-12020888292681811442009-01-22T16:56:00.000+00:002009-01-22T16:56:00.000+00:00But Gooder, surely the point is that it wasn't as ...But Gooder, surely the point is that it wasn't as simple as Adama 'giving up' - he didn't just shoot himself, he actively tried to goad Tigh into a fight. He never makes it easy for himself, he always 'rolls the hard six', how is that just giving up?<BR/><BR/>I think it was perfectly in character, considering the loss of his sine qua non, as Squid pointed out. Roslin was his rock, but his rock had crumbled; where else was there to go but out? Again, combined with the amount he had apparently drunk, I think this exemplifies his character perfectly.<BR/><BR/>You've contradicted yourself by saying that he won't abandon others; what else was he doing when he took the raptor to wait for Roslin, but abandoning his entire fleet? Yes, he was trying not to give up on Roslin and give her a chance to get back, which paid off, but ultimately there was a very good chance that he would never see or lead Galactica again. I'd say that was a prime case of abandonment. Yes, he was showing an immense amount of loyalty to one individual, but surely a greater leader would, objectively, realise that the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few; in this case, the one (with apologies to Leonard Nimoy).<BR/><BR/>You could argue, with perfect validity, that in that case he was actually objectively removing himself from command having realised he had become a liability and was unwilling to risk the fleet because of that; but then you could say exactly the same about his state of mind in 'Sometimes a Great Notion' - I'd say loss of all hope to be a pretty powerful reason to consider oneself unfit for command, and to consider the course of action that he did.<BR/><BR/>Of course, Tigh pulled him back to his feet and made him realise that such a loss would be even more detrimental to the fleet's well-being, which I believe is probably the only reason that he's carrying on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-59097340355670233772009-01-22T10:45:00.000+00:002009-01-22T10:45:00.000+00:00Please be advised Our Front Room is also once agai...Please be advised Our Front Room is also once again alive with BSG updates with Lost, Sarah Conner, Supernatural etc to follow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-4060391345157572732009-01-22T10:20:00.000+00:002009-01-22T10:20:00.000+00:00I actually liked how they handlled the reveal of E...I actually liked how they handlled the reveal of Ellen as the fifth. It was understated which I thought was great after all the hype around it. I also think it would have been worse had it been another of the major characters, Ellen I think fits well.<BR/><BR/>It should also make for some interesting stuff later down the road (in particular with Cavil and Tigh's history)<BR/><BR/>As for the Adama thing, I do think it was slightly out of character. Yes he did try to take the battlestar to certain destruction at the beginging but that's about fighting not giving up. <BR/><BR/>Yes he did wait for Roslin, but I'd argue that was different again. He'd realeasied he was risking the fleet for her and so decided so he could let go he'd wait only and put the risk only on himself.<BR/><BR/>Both of those I'd argue are very different to giving up to the extent you are suicidal. The man is a leader and we constantly see and hear how much a part of him that is. How much he won't abandon others.<BR/><BR/>Nor would accept him being unaware of it, of it being an impluse thing. Off all the ways and people he choose his best friend. Still even it was a bit out of characer he did pull it together and start briging people together then again at the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-69215439124318771542009-01-21T17:09:00.000+00:002009-01-21T17:09:00.000+00:00I agree on the number 3 thing too. I understand bu...I agree on the number 3 thing too. I understand busy episodes mean parts get cut, but c'mon, 3 lines for 3? The cylon who spent the last year or so obsessed with the final 5 doesn't want to stick around and find out a few more answers?<BR/><BR/>Or maybe she wants to wait for cavill to get to Earth, join his team and go back to guiltlessly killing herself/other people.Chemiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05608504177967398816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-75547284079232059492009-01-21T11:03:00.000+00:002009-01-21T11:03:00.000+00:00I actually didn't see Dee killing herself coming a...I actually didn't see Dee killing herself coming at all, but exactly because of the myriad reasons Kim has mentioned. I instead feared the writers might have actually gone completely insane and that Dee would turn out to be the Final Cylon, which would of course be an explanation for her featuring so heavily all of a sudden. Thus the suicide, when it happened, blew me away. The way it was done was almost exactly the same trick they pulled with Cally (lost all hope, then Tory offered her hand and we thought everything was all right, then *BAM* - right in the gut...), but it's to the writers' and director's credit that it fooled me a second time.<BR/><BR/>I agree that the Ellen revelation was somewhat of an anticlimax, but it makes sense in a twisted sort of BSG way; that this abusive love/hate relationship between two monumentally f*cked up individuals being an (presumably) eternally recurring cycle of lust and bile. And I, for one, am very glad they got it out of the way as quickly as possible so we can just sit back and concentrate on the far more interesting questions that beg, nay, <I>demand</I> answers.<BR/><BR/>And Squid is right; the choice of direction for this episode was incredibly brave and followed through to its logical conclusion; this was probably the darkest chapter we've ever witnessed on the show, and seeing the absolute evaporation of hope amongst so many of the characters who have come through so much was deeply affecting. <BR/><BR/>One thing that annoyed me, after the fact really, was the perfunctory way that Number 3 has left the show; apparently this really was Lawless' step off the merry-go-round, with barely a couple of lines to justify it. I think her character deserved somewhat more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4505812700967330296.post-80227443871088747692009-01-21T10:13:00.000+00:002009-01-21T10:13:00.000+00:00I too was underwhelmed with the Ellen reveal. But ...I too was underwhelmed with the Ellen reveal. But then who else could it be and not look lame (The main cylon cast outnumbers the main human?). Also the Dee thing was pretty obvious; she said the 'previously on BSG' line. If you aren't a main cast member this tends to mean something interesting is about to happen to you, like dying. (Also if your name moves from supporting cast to 'special guest star').<BR/><BR/>Starbuck going all Luke/Vader on her own body was pretty damn cool. Now all I'm looking forward to is poor little Gaeta going mad and doing something mutinous/murderous/idealistic/vengeful.Chemiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05608504177967398816noreply@blogger.com